Minnesota Focus Owners Club

If you want to Sing at 7 grand all day get a Vetec............

KRYPTO wrote:stoked motors create more torque then non stroked

true but .3 of a liter aint gonna make a differance. if the end resulte is more displacment and power, then swapping in a 2.3 from a speed three would reward with overall perf. taking a 2.3 from a ST and boosting still wont have the reliability and performace a simple,yet expensive speed swap. plus with the speed engine you get all the goods and almost non of the bads.

goods
1. 260 horse power
2. every day reliability
3. replacement parts
4. no need for twitchy and unpredicable custom tuning
5. done proporly, able to pass emissions( trust me they will be back)

bad
1. waiting for one to be available
2. cost
3. tires arnt cheap

Patalrob wrote:If you want to Sing at 7 grand all day get a Vetec............

i shift at 7200 rpm when driving hard. there are a few good thing about the svt engine....forged internals, cossie head, balanced and chamfered crank, piston oil squirters.
granted as a n/a motor it aint bad, its not the greatest, but not bad. as a foundation for a mildly boosted engine it has all the good stuff already. a small amount of boost into a 10-1 comp engine delivers high cyl pressure, witch is ok cus the forged rods and pistons can handle it better, and then to controll the iat you can charge cool or run race gas, or inject meth/water , or a combination then crank up the timing a tad and wall-ah. sorry got off on a tangent there. i dont fear the rev limiter with this svt engine,the brains at ford arnt stupid, well lets see here this engine is good for 8500 rpm how do we keep dumb asses from blowing it right away?....oohh ohohoo i know set the limiter at 7200 rpm and paint that number red.

focinite wrote:

KRYPTO wrote:stoked motors create more torque then non stroked

true but .3 of a liter aint gonna make a differance. if the end resulte is more displacment and power, then swapping in a 2.3 from a speed three would reward with overall perf. taking a 2.3 from a ST and boosting still wont have the reliability and performace a simple,yet expensive speed swap. plus with the speed engine you get all the goods and almost non of the bads.

goods
1. 260 horse power
2. every day reliability
3. replacement parts
4. no need for twitchy and unpredicable custom tuning
5. done proporly, able to pass emissions( trust me they will be back)

bad
1. waiting for one to be available
2. cost
3. tires arnt cheap

How are you going to control the cam timing? Why wouldn't a speed 3 motor need to be tuned, when swapped into a focus? Your baby is making you crazy.

I dont think 2.3 vs 2.0 will make that much of a difference on a boosted motor. He already said cost was a issue, so I was making him feel better about keeping the 2.0.

Was is the budget anyways? We all want you to get a 2.5 shortblock, and a bigger turbo. Or Put a stock 2.0 back in, sell the turbo kit, and car, then buy a EVO.

focinite wrote:

Patalrob wrote:If you want to Sing at 7 grand all day get a Vetec............

i shift at 7200 rpm when driving hard. there are a few good thing about the svt engine....forged internals, cossie head, balanced and chamfered crank, piston oil squirters.
granted as a n/a motor it aint bad, its not the greatest, but not bad. as a foundation for a mildly boosted engine it has all the good stuff already. a small amount of boost into a 10-1 comp engine delivers high cyl pressure, witch is ok cus the forged rods and pistons can handle it better, and then to controll the iat you can charge cool or run race gas, or inject meth/water , or a combination then crank up the timing a tad and wall-ah. sorry got off on a tangent there. i dont fear the rev limiter with this svt engine,the brains at ford arnt stupid, well lets see here this engine is good for 8500 rpm how do we keep dumb asses from blowing it right away?....oohh ohohoo i know set the limiter at 7200 rpm and paint that number red.

Hey Rob, The SVT has forged rods but it has cast pistons

Thats the weak link in the SVT motor when you get into the 350 plus WHP range, the pistons let go.

However, there have been several SVT's on stock internals in that 350 WHP range dependably.

Well, I'm trying to keep this project under $3500. That's my upper limit. Under 3K would be even better. I just bought a cabin cruiser in September, so I don't know how much leeway I have left with the Mrs, LOL.

An EVO?!?! Ugh, I could never. Nothing against them, but they are not for me.

Just waiting to hear back from Randy at focus sport to see what he has to say.

ch435 wrote:
An EVO?!?! Ugh, I could never. Nothing against them, but they are not for me.

Lol, most people say that about the Focus.

They aren't the coolest looking things, but they drive awesome. I got to drive a simple bolt on 300 whp MR, a few weeks ago and I'm still smiling.

CleanZX3 wrote:

ch435 wrote:
An EVO?!?! Ugh, I could never. Nothing against them, but they are not for me.

Lol, most people say that about the Focus.

They aren't the coolest looking things, but they drive awesome. I got to drive a simple bolt on 300 whp MR, a few weeks ago and I'm still smiling.

I drove one once, and while yes it had get up and go, it felt loose. Maybe just this one was beat up, idk.

Ya, that's one reason why I like the focus. I tend to go against the grain. I do not like to be lost in the crowd with the same ol, same ol.

CleanZX3 wrote:

focinite wrote:

KRYPTO wrote:stoked motors create more torque then non stroked

true but .3 of a liter aint gonna make a differance. if the end resulte is more displacment and power, then swapping in a 2.3 from a speed three would reward with overall perf. taking a 2.3 from a ST and boosting still wont have the reliability and performace a simple,yet expensive speed swap. plus with the speed engine you get all the goods and almost non of the bads.

goods
1. 260 horse power
2. every day reliability
3. replacement parts
4. no need for twitchy and unpredicable custom tuning
5. done proporly, able to pass emissions( trust me they will be back)

bad
1. waiting for one to be available
2. cost
3. tires arnt cheap

How are you going to control the cam timing? Why wouldn't a speed 3 motor need to be tuned, when swapped into a focus? Your baby is making you crazy.

I dont think 2.3 vs 2.0 will make that much of a difference on a boosted motor. He already said cost was a issue, so I was making him feel better about keeping the 2.0.

Was is the budget anyways? We all want you to get a 2.5 shortblock, and a bigger turbo. Or Put a stock 2.0 back in, sell the turbo kit, and car, then buy a EVO.

if you take the pcm,harness,engine harness, the car is then modified to think of its self as a speed three, its just a machine. for the svt swap, i needed to remove the inner car harness( i cut at the fuel pump and soldiered the svt from there) and the engine bay harness, replaced with the svt harness and used 80% of the modules going back in( i oppted for no stupid abs aor trackshon cuntrull) to do this on the focus to mazds speed would be easy,not cheap, but easy. the mazda and focus share the same c30 plat form, so the harness and parts are interchangeable, just like legos, you just need to know what parts are needed for the job. this is the true esscence of hot roding( they call it tuning cus it sounds smarter) find a good deal on a smoked car, steal the harness, the engine, the trans, all the mounts and axles and your 75% there.....baby making me crazy, shit son, its the lack of sleep that makes me crazy

Ok, update time. The funds are in, spring is coming, I need to make a decision. Now I know how we all feel about Tom, but he does have what appears to be a good deal. Here is a 2.3 off his site. What do you all think of it? Or if anyone has another idea, let me hear it. I do not want to do any Mazda type swap. Basically looking for a built 2.3, or an old 2.3 and then some upgraded parts, plus a shop to do the machining, and to put the pistons and crank in

2.3 Components:
Stock stroke, Stock STD or .020 Bore 2.3 (most any compression)
Eagle Rods
Focus-Power Light Weight Forged Pistons/Rings
Ranger Crank
Balanced Rotating Assembly
New Rod & Main Bearings
Deck Squared and Block Work

Pricing:
$2199.00

this is good. the better the foundation the stronger the house. are you gonna reuse the turbo?

Oh yeah, the turbo is going back in! I'd like to be at 16-18 psi of boost.

You know how I feel about him.......

Even if he was giving that away I wouldn't take it....

What can Randy do for you have you talked to him at all? This would be a slap in his face

They can't come close to that. Just the pistons rods and bearings alone would be more than that, let alone having it all assembled in a block. I can't seem to find any other option that comes even close to that for the price. I'm really stuck here i guess.